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June 5th, 2009

Filed under: Geekdom — NunoXEI @ 10:42 am

I just went to see Terminator Salvation yesterday. Like those who remember the first Terminator (but weren’t die hard fans or remember the core details), I’m on the positive side of the fence with how I felt about this movie. I thought it was as complete a movie as I could hope for considering I stopped caring about the Terminator franchise at T3… and The Sarah Connor Chronicles don’t even seem to exist in my reality. Soooo… I think I just backed up why I think this movie was a fine enough action movie… pretend the stuff before it doesn’t matter. Maybe one day I’ll go back just to complete my T-Lore in preparation for the renewed franchise that is undoubtedly on the war-torn horizon of the future.

The thing about the Terminator series–and in fact ANY story with time travel in it–is that eventually my brain hits a “wall”. The X-Men comic franchise is notorious for convoluted time travel, parallel universe, alternate universe, parallel alternate future universe, etc. storylines… and more than once I’ve just had to jump that persistent WALL in order to enjoy the story. The 12 Monkeys movie is also one of my favorite movies ever, and it TOO has this wall I speak of.

The Wall: The moment in a time travel story when the continuity of events become theoretically impossible, even considering and accepting the real possibilities of a quantum physics event such as time travel. It’s a time also summarized by “What came first: The chicken? Or the egg?” It’s a moment in the time continuum where “the beginning” doesn’t and CAN’T exist.

For the Terminator story that moment happens when the audience discovers John Connor is the son of a future time traveler, Kyle Reese (is is old old lore, so no spoilers here). In Terminator Salvation we then see that if it wasn’t for John Connor, Kyle Reese wouldn’t have been saved (this could be a spoiler if you’re naive enough to believe the movie would be ANY OTHER THING than this). There we hit THE WALL in time travel continuity. It is at this moment that a LOOP in time is created where both father and son will continue these exact moments of the last 20-30 years for INFINITY! Now that Kyle Reeses is alive, he’ll go back in time, have a son with Sarah Connor, John Connor will be born, John Connor will lead The Resistance, John Connor will save Kyle Reese… repeat. Kill Kyle and there is no John, but kill John and there is no Kyle.

So why didn’t Marcus KILL Kyle and end this whole problem 15-20 minutes into the flm?! Machine’s problem SOLVED! No Father = No son = Robots win! This is one of many time-created holes saturating this film to the point of making the entire film a disappointment to many hard core fans who wanted to see closure to many past continuity points brought up in previous films.

This is both a love and hate relationship I have with this kind of story telling. It’s an anomaly for the sake of creating a high concept anomaly. The fact is though that the story hinges on this concept which in turn creates a reality that constrains and perpetually limits the span of the story telling further creating other loop variables, continuity concerns, etc.

For example: Why are the machines sending Terminator units back in time to kill Connor? Is the math two complicated for a MACHINE to grasp? They will NEVER kill Connor in the past because the future they came from will always be what it is. IF there is NO Connor, then that future will never be what it is–it will be a DIFFERENT future all together in a parallel universe constructed of an alternative possibility, but it won’t be the same future… see this is the kind of stuff that makes my head twirl until I force myself to walk away from it. With that I end this blog…

I haven’t seen Star Trek yet (but will at the start of next week) but I’ve heard that they did it the way it needs to be done in order to have the freedom to do whatever you like thereafter. Parallel universes people! Comics do it all the time, it’s about time that story telling gimmick gets adopted into film screenwriting! It’s the magical component for rebooting many franchises for new generations!

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  • I think what most people miss about the physics of time travel theory, is that to go back and alter the timeline, you would not be returning to your own future. You alter nothing, only create an alternate/parallel reality/timestream.
    All said, screenwriters, however researched they may be, are obligated to not write over the heads of too many perspective ticket-buyers. It sucks, I know, but it’s the world we live in, where more people know the McDonalds menu by heart than know even a basic grasp of quantum mechanics.
    Don’t I sound like a dick?
    I totally agree with you though, XEI, about the franchise. One was the trendsetter, two continued the theme enough while thinking in a larger scope. Three was just ugly. All of the many many comics over the years seem completely out of story cannon, and I never bothered to watch any of that tv show at all, even if it did cast some of the hottest actresses working today.
    As far as the machines needing to kill Sarah, I think beyond just the birth-giving, it was her years of survival training she instilled in the boy that paved the way for his future success. In that perspective, there is a wider range for when she could/should be moidurized.
    Yes. My geek is strong.

    Comment by Richard — June 6, 2009 @ 1:40 am


  • Yup!
    My thoughts are similar… parallel universes and time lines are great writing devices. Movies are getting to this now because the print world moves faster than the film world… And the laws of physics on this time traveling / parallel universe thing doesn’t quite add up. The matter in all this is the story, you got to admit; If I knew that I wouldn’t be entertained I wouldn’t go see the movie. Case closed.

    BTW I found Star Trek more entertaining similar wall hitting experience but much more entertaining.

    Cheers

    Comment by Roger — June 6, 2009 @ 2:39 pm

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